Peach's Big Speech. This kind of made me think of....
What you say about not being able to "convince anybody" is bullshit. I've spent a few years on various sites and I can guarantee you, not only I, but atheist communities have been able to deconvert countless christians, muslims, and jews.
Secondly, the reason I am "pushing" my position on you, Shark, is that I really do pity you for this idiotic, nonsensical delusion you cling onto so dearly. After reading a few of your posts here, it's obvious that you're a highly intelligent person, capable of independent thinking. Every time I see someone like you, a highly intelligent religious person, I shed a tear for the future of mankind.
I mean, how many times haven't you repeated yourself during this short discussion we've had? You've even been saying it yourself; Faith is illogical.
"But deism aside God is not a logical concept. It's the human mind's abstract thinking that spawns the idea of God. One could argue (I don't necessarily think this, but just for argument's sake) that man spawned God, and therefore God exists in that form of a figment of the collective human mind."
Now, this seems like a nice thought, and it holds some water philosophcailly .. However.
You're forgetting that you're talking about the god of the Old Testament. You're completely repelling from the scripture, and you're even making your own versions of it. Why would you need to make your own version of a book that is supposedly the infallible word of the supreme ruler and creator of the entire fucking universe?
Don't worry, I know what you're going to say here .. "It's open to interpretation", am I right? You know why you're interpreting it? It's because you don't agree with it. I wouldn't be surprised if you even barely liked it. Therefore (since you have no other choice), you cherry pick out the nice, cute parts you like. Bottom line is, I'd like to see you try to live according to the Old Testament for a week, cause right now, you're not Jewish, you're Youish.
But I do like this sort of romantic image you have of God. It's sort of like a nice, hippy-fantasty. "God is in the mind", "God exists in that form of a figment of the collective human mind." All this about happiness, spirituality and love. Again, this would have worked very well for a god of comfort, or a god of love, or a god of peace. But the god you're refering to is also the creator of the universe, and that's where your arguements just die logically. Not only the creator of the universe, no; you're refering to the creator of the universe from the Old Testament, where the protagonist, Yahweh, is a seriously fucking deranged, psychopathic mass-murderer.
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
-Richard Dawkins
You said it yourself, Shark. It's not logical.
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